Design the QWERTZ layout

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  • #9628
    Waxberry
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    We heard you! QWERTZ layout is under the plan!

    What is your preferred places to place the additional German letters? What will be your ideal German QWERTZ layout?

    Please tell us, and we will try to deliver it same time with QWERTY. :)

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    #8254
    Keyahnig
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    Can you write umlauts (“ö”, “ä” and “ü”) easily on the qwerty layout? And the same with “é”, “à” and “è”.

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    #9650
    EskeRahn
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    Shift the A-Z letters ‘back’ left, to allow for the national chars. See the black print on DIN keyboard here as a god stating point
    QWERTZ DIN

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    #9652
    EskeRahn
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    …Actual Scandic user could live with this QWERTZ-DIN-layout-print!! We just have to ignore the ‘swapped’ Z/Y print, and that the Å-key says Ü
    Ö and Ä wil be perfect for Sweden and Finland, and good for Noway (Ø=Ö and Æ=Ä – same sounds, different symbols). And acceptable for Denmark (ÆØ swapped compared to Norway)

    IDEA: Combine the QWERTZ and scandic layout by printing YZÅ on the German ZYÜ with a different colour. This would make it almost Perfect for Sweden and Finland, and OK for Norway/Denmark.

    maki.jouni made a nice sketch for how it should look for Finland here And it is clear that this is quite close to the DIN version if the QWERTZ
    Fin keyboard

    #9684
    Keyahnig
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    I use the Swiss layout which is quite similar to QWERTZ.
    I think EskeRahn’s solution might be the perfect compromise for all German speaking and Scandinavian people.
    And if it could get shipped on the same date like the QWERTY version would be perfect.

    #9694
    doktor.oswaldo
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    I think this is not that important at all. I think it is important to know how we could change the layout software-side.
    After 3 weeks it does not matter at all what is printed on the keyboard you won’t need to look. But it is important to have YOUR layout!

    So the real question is, will there be any software support (without rooting) to change the keymaps as you please?

    #9709
    Wheeljack
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    When shifting everything to the left, don’t forget to move the nubs on F and J to the lest as well, not just the printed on letters. ;)
    I’m all for EskeRahn’s layout.

    #9720
    alex.ruediger
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    The QWERTZ layout again, huh? I actually had done some layouts in the past for the moto mod a good while ago which were supposed to actually and up on the hardware.

    One issue we have though, is the lack of guidelines when designing the layout.
    For example, am I allowed to have third level modifiers?
    I’m assuming the yellow pointing arrow is like FN for accessing the yellow printed characters. If that’s the case, what happens with Shift on non-letter keys?
    When I did the moto mod layouts, I was told the characters on it have to match up with an existing Android keymapping. I found that odd, but does this restriction apply here?

    Here’s my simple first take, typical German QWERTZ with minimal deviation.
    This one uses FN as third level and puts the number row symbols behind shift instead.
    Or as image if for some reason you can’t see everything properly on that site:

    Here is a Keyboard Layout Editor template with the QWERTY layout as seen on the photos. I might’ve gotten one or two symbols wrong there as there doesn’t seem to be a super clear photo of the keyboard anywhere. Something without tilt or blur would be cool to look at.

    Feel free to use the Keyboard Layout Editor links as a base for your own suggestions on the layout. I think it’s a convenient way to go about this.

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    #9734
    EskeRahn
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    Cool elvissteinjr, much easier to quickly make suggestions :)

    PS: I believe you swapped Ä and Ö usually (AFAIK) on German keyboards is ….JKLÖÄ i.e like this

    #9766
    alex.ruediger
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    I did indeed. And that while typing on one, great job me.
    Thankfully it’s easy to fix, so it should rather look a bit more like this of course.

    #9775
    EskeRahn
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    If you edit your ‘old’ comment with an updated picture/link, i can remove our replies, to avoid confusing other readers. :)

    BTW there is an odd BUG in the forum, so if you edit a comment multiple times within a relatively short time span (an hour?), it gets caught in the spam-filter, assuming you as a spammer, posting the same again (it fails to see that it was edits….).

    #9778
    alex.ruediger
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    Let’s say I would if I could. Pretty sure there was an edit button when I did the original post, but it’s nowhere to be found on either post now.
    This forum sure is peculiar. Nevertheless, I think most of us will manage to read up on the incremental updates on each layout.

    Since I’m posting already:
    I’m sure the layout I posted can be easily expanded to cover more countries that use a form of QWERTZ in their keyboards. However, I lack the experience to properly pick and place required characters. Wikipedia isn’t a great source for what’s actually on the keyboards in practice it seems. My layout is pretty much what’s listed there as “T1 according to DIN 2137-1:2012-06”, but the “T2 according to DIN 2137-1:2012-06” is what you first see when looking up the German layout… something I’ve yet to encounter in the wild, but apparently does exist.

    It also remains the question who the target for this layout is. German users are likely to be the primary target, but there are of course a bunch of other QWERTZ countries, some of which’s layouts don’t look like they can be accomodated for without conflicting with other QWERTZ layouts. This certainly needs input from the respective users I suppose.

    #9783
    EskeRahn
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    Ah, yes you are right, sorry, there is a limited time for edit. (which makes a lot of sense).

    And indeed let us hope other users chip in. I have no idea of the distribution of interest/preorders cross the globe. (nor on what layouts they prefer)

    #9789
    cairy
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    Would love to have the option to pre-order qwertz

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    #9862
    dreamflasher
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    With the scandinavic addition: layout

    And I personally always would have hoped to see all greek letters on the keyboard (great for maths!): layout

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