March 14, 2019 at 2:17 pm #9628
We heard you! QWERTZ layout is under the plan!
What is your preferred places to place the additional German letters? What will be your ideal German QWERTZ layout?
Please tell us, and we will try to deliver it same time with QWERTY. :)March 14, 2019 at 4:01 pm #9650
Shift the A-Z letters ‘back’ left, to allow for the national chars. See the black print on DIN keyboard here as a god stating point
March 14, 2019 at 4:13 pm #9652
…Actual Scandic user could live with this QWERTZ-DIN-layout-print!! We just have to ignore the ‘swapped’ Z/Y print, and that the Å-key says Ü
Ö and Ä wil be perfect for Sweden and Finland, and good for Noway (Ø=Ö and Æ=Ä – same sounds, different symbols). And acceptable for Denmark (ÆØ swapped compared to Norway)
IDEA: Combine the QWERTZ and scandic layout by printing YZÅ on the German ZYÜ with a different colour. This would make it almost Perfect for Sweden and Finland, and OK for Norway/Denmark.March 15, 2019 at 12:18 am #9684
I use the Swiss layout which is quite similar to QWERTZ.
I think EskeRahn’s solution might be the perfect compromise for all German speaking and Scandinavian people.
And if it could get shipped on the same date like the QWERTY version would be perfect.March 15, 2019 at 7:05 am #9694
I think this is not that important at all. I think it is important to know how we could change the layout software-side.
After 3 weeks it does not matter at all what is printed on the keyboard you won’t need to look. But it is important to have YOUR layout!
So the real question is, will there be any software support (without rooting) to change the keymaps as you please?March 15, 2019 at 7:14 pm #9709
When shifting everything to the left, don’t forget to move the nubs on F and J to the lest as well, not just the printed on letters. ;)
I’m all for EskeRahn’s layout.March 15, 2019 at 9:39 pm #9720
The QWERTZ layout again, huh? I actually had done some layouts in the past for the moto mod a good while ago which were supposed to actually and up on the hardware.
One issue we have though, is the lack of guidelines when designing the layout.
For example, am I allowed to have third level modifiers?
I’m assuming the yellow pointing arrow is like FN for accessing the yellow printed characters. If that’s the case, what happens with Shift on non-letter keys?
When I did the moto mod layouts, I was told the characters on it have to match up with an existing Android keymapping. I found that odd, but does this restriction apply here?
Here’s my simple first take, typical German QWERTZ with minimal deviation.
This one uses FN as third level and puts the number row symbols behind shift instead.
Or as image if for some reason you can’t see everything properly on that site:
Here is a Keyboard Layout Editor template with the QWERTY layout as seen on the photos. I might’ve gotten one or two symbols wrong there as there doesn’t seem to be a super clear photo of the keyboard anywhere. Something without tilt or blur would be cool to look at.
Feel free to use the Keyboard Layout Editor links as a base for your own suggestions on the layout. I think it’s a convenient way to go about this.March 16, 2019 at 4:38 am #9734March 16, 2019 at 2:42 pm #9766
I did indeed. And that while typing on one, great job me.
Thankfully it’s easy to fix, so it should rather look a bit more like this of course.March 16, 2019 at 3:19 pm #9775
If you edit your ‘old’ comment with an updated picture/link, i can remove our replies, to avoid confusing other readers. :)
BTW there is an odd BUG in the forum, so if you edit a comment multiple times within a relatively short time span (an hour?), it gets caught in the spam-filter, assuming you as a spammer, posting the same again (it fails to see that it was edits….).March 16, 2019 at 3:57 pm #9778
Let’s say I would if I could. Pretty sure there was an edit button when I did the original post, but it’s nowhere to be found on either post now.
This forum sure is peculiar. Nevertheless, I think most of us will manage to read up on the incremental updates on each layout.
Since I’m posting already:
I’m sure the layout I posted can be easily expanded to cover more countries that use a form of QWERTZ in their keyboards. However, I lack the experience to properly pick and place required characters. Wikipedia isn’t a great source for what’s actually on the keyboards in practice it seems. My layout is pretty much what’s listed there as “T1 according to DIN 2137-1:2012-06”, but the “T2 according to DIN 2137-1:2012-06” is what you first see when looking up the German layout… something I’ve yet to encounter in the wild, but apparently does exist.
It also remains the question who the target for this layout is. German users are likely to be the primary target, but there are of course a bunch of other QWERTZ countries, some of which’s layouts don’t look like they can be accomodated for without conflicting with other QWERTZ layouts. This certainly needs input from the respective users I suppose.March 16, 2019 at 5:34 pm #9783
Ah, yes you are right, sorry, there is a limited time for edit. (which makes a lot of sense).
And indeed let us hope other users chip in. I have no idea of the distribution of interest/preorders cross the globe. (nor on what layouts they prefer)March 16, 2019 at 9:12 pm #9789
Would love to have the option to pre-order qwertzMarch 17, 2019 at 11:14 pm #9862
dreamflasherParticipantMarch 18, 2019 at 12:38 am #9864
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