Design the QWERTZ layout

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  • #9864
    EskeRahn
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    Nice DreamFlasher (though if the Scandinavian is to be printed we would like to have “Z/Y” and “Y/Z” also, as we use QWERTY as a base).
    (And perhaps Psi would me more natural to put on the national key right of P rather than on Y, and Omega on O not W? like this )

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    dreamflasher
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    I agree, nice, I love it! :)

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    OliverTypes
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    Nice! :)

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    Slion
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    Now I’m jealous I want my AZERTY!

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    Testdevice
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    My favourite layouts:

    No.1 (just QWERTZ with sound symbols)
    Favourite 1

    No.2 (just QWERTZ)
    Favourite 2

    #10280
    Waxberry
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    Thanks for the ideas.

    What we think the best is adding German keys and swap Y and Z.

    If you notice from our QWERTY layout, some symbols were placed on the left, to make the letters in the middle to be reachable with both thumb. Just copying a PC layout will shift the main letters too close to left and make it harder for the right thumb.

    How about:
    – Moving some of the symbols to the secondary keys of letters, and add German letters to the previous symbol keys
    – Or, adding German letters as the secondary key on top of letters

    What do you think?

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    Waxberry
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    Also what are the additional keys? I can see ä, ö, ü being added and ß

    Is the “Mu” key (on top of M in @TeZtdevice image) needed as well?

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    EskeRahn
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    IMHO the right-shift of the A-Z should be limited to languages with no national letters, that is the US/UK layout only (AFAIK)
    Even the Canadian QWERTY layouts would expect national letters between L and Enter.
    So for all other layouts keep the A-Z in their standard positions, and use the keys to the right for national letters.

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    alex.ruediger
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    µ is present on German QWERTZ keyboards, but it’s not a critical symbol. You use it as much as you’d do in English. There’s also the degree symbol °, which is handy from time to time but also not a deal breaker if missing, I suppose.
    But the € symbol is something expected to be there, I’d say.

    Though I’d personally wish for a more adapted special characters layout. It’s the number one thing of confusion when unexpectedly presented with a QWERTY layout.

    Regardless of that, for the placement of just the new characters, here are my recommendations:
    Ä – FN A
    Ö – FN O
    Ü – FN U
    ß – FN S
    € – FN E

    These are straight forward and put onto letters which are related to the symbols in some way. These letters are happen to be free in the QWERTY layout.

    If we were to go about adding ° and µ as well, I’d suggest putting µ on FN M like it is on German QWERTZ and move @ to FN Q (also German QWERTZ) and use the freed up spot for ° .

    One can go great lengths about keyboard layouts, heh. I’d say if we get told the limits we can work with them. Overall I’d be happy with anything at this point, but since we got the chance, I might as well try to get the best out of it.

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    Testdevice
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    Additional symbols: “mute” (no. 4) , “quieter” (no. 5), “louder” (no. 6)
    “Mu” is not needed, imo.
    I will create a new example.

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    Testdevice
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    QWERTZ:
    click me

    QWERTZ

    QWERTZ_extra (my favourite):
    click me

    QWERTZ_extra

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    #10332
    EskeRahn
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    testdevice, your image links does not seem to work here.
    I only see two saint Andrew crosses

    #10334
    Testdevice
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    Forgot my favourite… this one is better…

    QWERTZ_extra:
    click me (picture)

    QWERTZ_extra

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    #10344
    EskeRahn
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    Same problem, Slim Saint Andrew crosses.
    I guess the picture upload service you are using are somehow inaccessible

    If I click one of the images I get this security message

    EDIT: Seems to not be a general issue, but some over zealous Danish security thing that blocks the site….

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    sic_zer0
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    I see the images just fine, maybe it blocks depending on location?

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