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    edlinfan
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    Hi,

    In late 2017, I got tired of waiting for the market to produce a good Android keyboard phone, so I made one :) My Galaxy Note 3 has had a Bluetooth keyboard permanently attached for the last two years. It started life as a nasty duct-taped “clamshell”, then evolved into the slider you see in the attached pictures.

    The existence of Fxtec is, honestly, a dream come true. Your hardware is way better than anything I could put together myself. And your design philosophy of “taking the best features from all generations of phone” is something that strongly resonates with me. Needless to say, I have a Pro1 on pre-order, and I can’t wait until the summer!

    Given the UX refinements Fxtec is working on right now, it seems a good time to share some of the good and bad about using a landscape keyboard phone full-time. I may have also been just a little inspired by EskeRahn’s post written after using the Pro1 hands on!

    What has worked well:

    – Having a keyboard has made the phone useful for many traditional “laptop” jobs, such as longform writing and coding. Speed is about 50% of a fullsize keyboard — my personal best was 70wpm on Type Racer.

    – Android’s keyboard support is honestly, very good. Ctrl-A to select all, Ctrl-X/C/V for the clipboard, and shift-arrows for text selection are extremely useful, and automatically supported most places.

    – I use Home/End very frequently for jumping to start/end of current line. Are these keys available on the Pro1? (Or, is there some other way to do this on the Pro1?)

    – Launching apps by typing their name. In my old version of Android (5.0) it is not supported, except via 3rd party apps. I use an app called Taskbar which binds my Windows key to a pop-up start menu. Then typing will filter apps by name. It is very slick. I’m glad to see the Pro1 has this feature!

    – App compatibility is, honestly, not as big a problem as I expected. Some apps are ugly in landscape, but it’s rare for them to break outright.

    What could be improved:

    – Portrait vs. landscape mode. I am wondering if you have considered an option to lock the phone to landscape mode when the keyboard is slid open? My phone does not automatically do this, so I rely on a 3rd party app called Rotation Locker. I have found always, when the keyboard is shut, I want portrait and on-screen keyboard. (This is also a good compatibility-mode for those few ill-behaving apps that don’t work in landscape.) Conversely, when the keyboard is slid open, I want landscape.

    – Keyboard lifetime. In 2 years, my original Bluetooth keyboard wore out, and I had to switch to a spare. How is the lifetime of the Pro1 keyboard? Do you have an approximate # of keystrokes rating?

    – App switching. I am on Android 5.0 so it is hard to manage the “set” of running applications. This becomes especially relevant when I am using my phone for say, research, and I am switching frequently between a web browser, a pdf and a text editor. How is the built-in app switcher of Android Pie? Does it feel sufficient for heavy workloads like this, or would additional shortcuts help?

    – (I am jealous of the “long press key” app-shortcut feature from the Pro1. I wish my phone did that! App switching (and managing multiple concurrent apps in general) on phones is very awkward, so every shortcut helps!)

    – Can the Pro1 keyboard be used to switch panes in Android’s built-in “side-by-side multi-tasking” mode? This seems like a very nice “desktop-like” feature that would further aid productivity.

    Thank you for reading! And thank you for doing what you do. I can’t wait for the Pro1 to be ready :)

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    #15623
    sic_zer0
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    Brilliant work, thanks for sharing :). I always found it strange there isn’t more slider keyboard cases on the market, I’ve seen something like it sold for iphones iphone slider keyboard thing and of course the moto mods keyboard. I’ve always wanted to get one of those iphone keypads and just glue it onto a case for my phone but for whatever reason that never happened (I had a hard time finding them at the time and ended up using a nokia e72 a good long while then forgetting of the plan).

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    #15641
    EskeRahn
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    Thanks for the nice post edlinfan. And nice tinkering.
    I tinkered something for Iphone 6- my self that worked well, had it not been for the horrors of Ios, I might still have been using it….

    I can confirm that the pro1 indeed offers an option to have it in landscape while open :)

    And Alt-Tab and Alt-Sh+Tab is supported too (The last triple-combo hard to do hand-held though)

    I see no reasons why Home/End could not be assigned to a combo. Could be the yellow-arrow plus some arrow key.

    Frankly I never even tried the pane functionality, imho even these huge 6″ screens are too small for splitting. But sure there could be apps where it makes sense. So thus have no idea if there are any handy shortcuts. But if they are in the Android API, I see no reasons why they could not be assigned a key-combo. (To be honest I did not even know how to turn panes on, had to google it…)
    I can go ONE way, from the split app TO the rest with Alt+Tab
    I tried with various combinations of the modifier keys and arrows/tab – if the return jump is there I did not guess it…

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    #15653
    EskeRahn
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    I’ve always wanted to get one of those iphone keypads and just glue it onto a case for my phone but for whatever reason that never happened

    I experimented a bit, and as I tried it I could get the keyboards available for Android to work quite well on Ios devices, but not the other way round!
    They REGISTER fine by bluetooth, but keystrokes are ignored. I have tried at least five different models.
    You can see a little blah blah on those I wrote here a couple of years ago.

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    #15773
    Noir
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    I played with a Bluetooth Keyboard slider attachment for the Samsung Galaxy S4 for a while – it was horrible. The reasons for that are, that the thickness was just too much, and the quality of the keyboard itself was even worse than using the on screen keyboard. The clicks were so loud that it was not possible to not attract strange looks while typing, the overall handling was difficult and not thought through, intermittend conneciton issues, especially when i was using other bluetooth connections (hands-free, tethering, filetransfer).. switched back to the Photon Q pretty quickly, but did not stop searching for better solutions of an attachment slider. then there was the Moto Mod, and you know where that journey ends.. cheers to edlinfan for trying so hard and sharing your experience!

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    #15810
    damion
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    After my Galaxy S Relay got far too slow, I switched to a pixel1 and keyboard. I used the iphone keyboard in the image above, snipped off the edges and superglued to a stock thin pixel1 case. I then use “External Keyboard Helper” to map useful keys like Ctrl so I can use things easier via ssh. The mechanism doesn’t last more than a couple months and I’ve grown tired of repairing them. I do have a spare 3rd keyboard (they’re £6 each) but haven’t gone through this process yet after the 2nd broke. I reluctantly started to use the on-screen keyboard but miss a fully integrated device. I’m very excited by the F(x)tec Pro1 but had also pre-ordered the Planetcom “cosmo”

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    #15829
    EskeRahn
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    After my Galaxy S Relay got far too slow, I switched to a pixel1 and keyboard. I used the iphone keyboard in the image above,

    Interesting that you got an Iphone keyboard to work with android, that failed on my attempts.
    The type of keyboard you used looks like similar to the ones I played with, so maybe Samsung had some smart trick to work with Iphone keyboards? I do not quite recall what phones I attempted to connect to. It was my own SonyEricsson (Neo) Pro, but also some of my friends devices at the time.

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    damion
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    The Samsung Galaxy S Relay was the last good keyboarded android, so I didn’t use that with this keyboard. Sorry actually I did as I tested before I got the pixel. But basically I wanted a top of the range phone (this was ~2 years ago) so I used the Google pixel (apparently htc). This is nothing more than basic BT HID I don’t see why you’d have any problem with any keyboard unless there are some weird bespoke iPhone keyboards out there.

    It was actually pretty sweet for a while but the mechanism just grew too wobbly over a couple of months each time eventually being too risky to keep attached to the phone.

    Listing ended but it was this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Wireless-Bluetooth-Slide-Out-Keyboard-Mini-Case-Cover-For-iPhone-5-5S-SE-/311722685830?var=&hash=item48941eb586:m:mcai0aiKEcfOHDvWPH3ZeMg

    I have one spare left

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    EskeRahn
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    The Samsung Galaxy S Relay was the last good keyboarded android, so I didn’t use that with this keyboard. Sorry actually I did as I tested before I got the pixel. But basically I wanted a top of the range phone (this was ~2 years ago) so I used the Google pixel (apparently htc). This is nothing more than basic BT HID I don’t see why you’d have any problem with any keyboard unless there are some weird bespoke iPhone keyboards out there.

    It was actually pretty sweet for a while but the mechanism just grew too wobbly over a couple of months each time eventually being too risky to keep attached to the phone.

    Listing ended but it was this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Wireless-Bluetooth-Slide-Out-Keyboard-Mini-Case-Cover-For-iPhone-5-5S-SE-/311722685830?var=&hash=item48941eb586:m:mcai0aiKEcfOHDvWPH3ZeMg

    I have one spare left

    Just tried to pair the Pro1 with an old Iphone BT keyboard I dug up, and look and behold it worked!! (Not that it makes much sense though)
    So why it did NOT work with the Android phones I tried earlier I do not know….

    ADD The same old thing also worked on my Samsung S8- , so all points to the problems I have seen no longer exists??

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    sic_zer0
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    The Samsung Galaxy S Relay was the last good keyboarded android, so I didn’t use that with this keyboard. Sorry actually I did as I tested before I got the pixel. But basically I wanted a top of the range phone (this was ~2 years ago) so I used the Google pixel (apparently htc). This is nothing more than basic BT HID I don’t see why you’d have any problem with any keyboard unless there are some weird bespoke iPhone keyboards out there.

    It was actually pretty sweet for a while but the mechanism just grew too wobbly over a couple of months each time eventually being too risky to keep attached to the phone.

    Listing ended but it was this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Wireless-Bluetooth-Slide-Out-Keyboard-Mini-Case-Cover-For-iPhone-5-5S-SE-/311722685830?var=&hash=item48941eb586:m:mcai0aiKEcfOHDvWPH3ZeMg

    I have one spare left

    Just tried to pair the Pro1 with an old Iphone BT keyboard I dug up, and look and behold it worked!! (Not that it makes much sense though)

    So why it did NOT work with the Android phones I tried earlier I do not know….

    ADD The same old thing also worked on my Samsung S8- , so all points to the problems I have seen no longer exists??

    I do have the experience that some combinations of bluetooth devices can be amazingly quirky and intermittently decide to not work atall… Maybe you tried it on an unlucky day, or an update came and fixed stuff?

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