Love the PowerHorse configuration in full qwerty … But Battery ???

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    EskeRahn
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    thing i would not be able to do with the pro1 since the USB C is not aligned :( )

    Sorry, I’m not sure what this means. How is the USB-C port not aligned, so that you can’t charge it with a cable in the car. I’m not challenging. This is probably showing off my ignorance and probably that I missed something somewhere. Just looking for clarification.

    Thanks. :-)

    Well IF we are talking a generic holder with variable width AND a fixed centred plug, then that would not work.But most generic holders requires you to insert the cable manually, and here it could or could not be a problem, depending on the the bottom support.

    At first I too found it odd with the plug off centre, but once you tried to operate it in landscape plugged, you get the “AHA that is why!” on the placement, as the cable slips perfectly between two fingers. Another detail thought through.
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    thing i would not be able to do with the pro1 since the USB C is not aligned :( )

    Sorry, I’m not sure what this means. How is the USB-C port not aligned, so that you can’t charge it with a cable in the car. I’m not challenging. This is probably showing off my ignorance and probably that I missed something somewhere. Just looking for clarification.

    Thanks. :-)

    The issue isn’t really the phone, but in my car i have a fixed, non removable phone holder, with 2 support under the phone, on each side of the middle … where most phone had there cable.
    the support will block access to the phone usb c :(

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    I had not thought this trough and you’re right it’s pretty realistic, even say we want to use an ultracapcitor because batteries wear out fast… First options I found looked good until I realized the ESR was on the order of 50 ohms or so which would make efficiency absolutely pathetic to the point it would work for seconds at best. But with some parametric search magic some have rather spectacular specs: https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-BC-Components/MAL219691263E3 Looking in the datasheet we can see it’ll store 52.5Ws of energy, or about 14.5mWh, which gives us about 7.4 minutes of time in a perfect world (because 32mAh for 1hr life with 3.7v nominal battery voltage = 118mW, 52.5Ws/0.118w = ~7.4). Counting in ESR and the fact we can’t discharge the cap below about 0.5v because the dc-dc converter needs something to work with, but it doesn’t seem totally crazy to get at least a minute out of it and change batteries in that timeframe.

    The link does not go deep, but if I do a search for MAL219691263E3 on their page it works. BUT it is quite big 36mm x 14.5mm x 2.5mm – though not impossible to imagine in there,

    The link is most definitely broken, don’t know what went wrong there xD. That’s indeed the size of the item I tryed to link though, importantly one of the flattest options I found that would be able to supply the approx 100mW for more than a few seconds, many of them being longer cylinders with a small-ish diameter but still too fat to imagine fitting in a phone. Aside probably not being impossible to stuff in a phone, there are probably better options to find with a more exhaustive search/comparison.

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    The issue isn’t really the phone, but in my car i have a fixed, non removable phone holder, with 2 support under the phone, on each side of the middle … where most phone had there cable.
    the support will block access to the phone usb c :(

    Yup. the clearance between two symmetric supports would need to be about 34mm, and not all holders have that. Though usually of simple plastic, I think it will likely be quite easy to widen on one side.

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    I dont necesarilly see why it has to make the phone thicker. Just some type of removable (slide-off?) back cover that is itself the battery (and possibly whatever goes on the other side of battery like nfc etc if there’s something that must be between battery and cover).

    Ah who cares for NFC? But a removable battery means you need some kind of a bay with a contact else you can just throw a battery in and attach a flexible connector. Sure you could just do the same design for replaceable batteries, but it is possible to attach these flexible cable connectors wrongly, isn’t it?

    I once lost a floppy drive because I connected the IDE cable one off (did it without looking). It got smelly pretty fast. Luckily I stopped the power input before my pc was as hot as my mixtape :D

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    The issue isn’t really the phone, but in my car i have a fixed, non removable phone holder, with 2 support under the phone, on each side of the middle … where most phone had there cable.

    the support will block access to the phone usb c :(

    Yup. the clearance between two symmetric supports would need to be about 34mm, and not all holders have that. Though usually of simple plastic, I think it will likely be quite easy to widen on one side.

    Thank’s but i am NOT grinding the plastic console of my car for a phone, i leave it unplug XD
    Qi charging would have been an option, but im way more into metal back :)

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    thing i would not be able to do with the pro1 since the USB C is not aligned :( )

    Sorry, I’m not sure what this means. How is the USB-C port not aligned, so that you can’t charge it with a cable in the car. I’m not challenging. This is probably showing off my ignorance and probably that I missed something somewhere. Just looking for clarification.

    Thanks. :-)

    The issue isn’t really the phone, but in my car i have a fixed, non removable phone holder, with 2 support under the phone, on each side of the middle … where most phone had there cable.

    the support will block access to the phone usb c :(

    Ahh, thanks. I see now. I don’t use a fixed holder so I hadn’t considered that. I have a cup holder that positions any large phone perfectly for GPS use. ;-)

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    Thank’s but i am NOT grinding the plastic console of my car for a phone, i leave it unplug XD
    Qi charging would have been an option, but im way more into metal back :)

    Oh I meant we can buy cheap phone holders for next to nothing on e.g. ebay or aliexpress, and those could be modified, if the the clearance is not sufficient.

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    And yes, 24/7 vpn + a linux vm in the background + tasker + auto sync with my home lab … i’m not a normal user… poor phone

    I was following your concerns and totally understanding the desire for a larger battery, this is totally not necessary. Anyone can easily use any size battery you throw at them, just like storage or ram or cpu speed, and that’s what I’m seeing from this. For example, why would you ever need to run a linux vm? Why would you not run your linux instance on a machine somewhere in your virtual private network that you’re connected to 24/7? Why do you need to be waking up the phone to run tasker processes so often?

    I’d totally be in favour of a larger battery, but I think you could be happy with the battery this device has if you just act a little smarter with the power you get.

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    And yes, 24/7 vpn + a linux vm in the background + tasker + auto sync with my home lab … i’m not a normal user… poor phone

    I was following your concerns and totally understanding the desire for a larger battery, this is totally not necessary. Anyone can easily use any size battery you throw at them, just like storage or ram or cpu speed, and that’s what I’m seeing from this. For example, why would you ever need to run a linux vm? Why would you not run your linux instance on a machine somewhere in your virtual private network that you’re connected to 24/7? Why do you need to be waking up the phone to run tasker processes so often?

    I’d totally be in favour of a larger battery, but I think you could be happy with the battery this device has if you just act a little smarter with the power you get.

    I realise that my use make no sense, but because i’m use to, and i can, i don’t see why would i do othewise. I use the vpn to access home service that i wouldn’t want to see facing the open web, the vm to run local client who don’t have valid alternative on android, and tasker, aside from being my “on call alarm” is full of time saving automation i spend the last 9y setting up. Api call are what’s using batteries.
    I’m not saying that this phone is bad because of it’s battery, it’s very reasonable and will suffice to most people. It’s just that it won’t be an upgrade and i’m ok with it.

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    And yes, 24/7 vpn + a linux vm in the background + tasker + auto sync with my home lab … i’m not a normal user… poor phone

    I was following your concerns and totally understanding the desire for a larger battery, this is totally not necessary. Anyone can easily use any size battery you throw at them, just like storage or ram or cpu speed, and that’s what I’m seeing from this. For example, why would you ever need to run a linux vm? Why would you not run your linux instance on a machine somewhere in your virtual private network that you’re connected to 24/7? Why do you need to be waking up the phone to run tasker processes so often?

    I’d totally be in favour of a larger battery, but I think you could be happy with the battery this device has if you just act a little smarter with the power you get.

    I realise that my use make no sense, but because i’m use to, and i can, i don’t see why would i do othewise. I use the vpn to access home service that i wouldn’t want to see facing the open web, the vm to run local client who don’t have valid alternative on android, and tasker, aside from being my “on call alarm” is full of time saving automation i spend the last 9y setting up. Api call are what’s using batteries.

    I’m not saying that this phone is bad because of it’s battery, it’s very reasonable and will suffice to most people. It’s just that it won’t be an upgrade and i’m ok with it.

    Are you saying the VM is to run the VPN client? I’d be surprised if the android VPN client doesn’t work.

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    Are you saying the VM is to run the VPN client? I’d be surprised if the android VPN client doesn’t work.

    Nop, i have other soft with client who look just bad on android (lms) and other who just don’t exist

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    I dont necesarilly see why it has to make the phone thicker.

    Chen once pointed out, that if a battery is able to be taken out, there has to be a thicker frame/enclosure/protection around the cell, hence less room for the capacity. a removable battery has to meet security standards for being certified which differ from non-removable batteries.
    Compare failing battery cells of phones: the ones which are removable don’t expand to the same extend as ‘internal’ ones, because there is another enclosure around the cell to handle that mechanical stress.

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