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  • #9532
    jason
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    Price is spot on. Be nice if they could reduce it but I doubt they can.

    #9534
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    For a V1, this price point is spectacular.

    The biggest spec people keep pointing out is the chipset, and CPUs have really been plateauing recently. Battery life is far more important, and it’s great that they are focusing on that.

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    #9564
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    blubbeh explained well. Some of you have unrealistic expectations (especially with the battery, how much more can you cram in there?)
    Not sure why US customers are being charged sales tax when we’re not taxed for online purchases. Unless the firm has their own facilities in your state, I’ve never, ever seen this happen before. Seems more like an opportunity to milk.

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    barmas
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    I’m the only one who disagrees about the price ;-)
    Perhaps you are forgetting that the phone will be in your hands probably by july-august
    Are you aware that in July-August, the specs of Pro1 will be more outdated than now and with €.649, it will be possible to buy three phones with identical processor, display, ram, rom, camera etc except hardware keyboard?
    I think that at that price, it needs an hardware compensation (better battery, ram, IR)

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    sic_zer0
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    But how will you type? Typing on a touchscreen slows me down way more than the lousy mediatek chipset in the phone I own now, so i rate input method as a greater importance then ram etc. And the pro1 is by no means a low specced device, it’ll run nicely. That plus I doubt fxtec could make much of a profit if they made the device cheaper / higher spec.

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    I agree with Netman here.
    barmas, Remember that sliders are still a niche product, so the production volume is going to be low, so the development cost distributed per unit is MUCH higher than for a device sold in many millions of specimens like say a Samsung S8/9/10.
    …Actually I had expected it to be priced higher for that exact reason….

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    #13427
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    For a small company and low production volume, the price seems OK – you cannot compare it with OnePlus and others big companies.
    KEY2 costs similar price, it has bad form factor, worst keyboard from all Blackberries I have used (Q10, Classic, Passport), bad keyboard integration, closed android without any possible changes (no root, not possible to unlock bootloader) and as unhappy user of Key2 LE, I can continue for a long time :(.
    And that is reason why I want Pro1 and cannot afford it now, I cannot buy two expensive smartphone during one year. And it would be impossible to sell k2 in my country without loosing a lot of money. (I wish I knew about Pro1 sooner..)

    So am I am waiting and hoping that Pro1 sells good and there will be Pro2 and Pro2lite in future (with noncurved screen :) ).

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    #15818
    damion
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    $649 + sales tax + shipping is still way cheaper than £650 ($820). But TBH I think the price is completely justifiable. You’re paying for research and dev into the nicest keyboard phone since the n950

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    #15827
    MortisAngelus
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    For a V1, this price point is spectacular.

    The biggest spec people keep pointing out is the chipset, and CPUs have really been plateauing recently. Battery life is far more important, and it’s great that they are focusing on that.

    Warning – angry rant (not targeted at you, more like a continuation of what you commented)

    It is the bloody stigma of the tech enthusiast industry; I mean of course I get excited about new tech, and of course it is awesome to see new chipsets and CPUs on the market for various devices etc.

    But especially in the smartphone market, there seems to be an ironic amount of elitism amongst reviewers and also consumers. As was the case with the Nokie 9 PureView. Everyone was like “this is a really great phone, with some new awesome never-seen-before camera technology in a phone, but it “only” has a 845, which is kind of a bummer bla bla bla so it should not be this expensive”

    I got really fed up this criticism. Critics and users alike were pretending like the 845 was so bad and out of date and trying to bash the Nokia for “high price” compared to e.g. OnePlus completely forgetting about the things that really makes the phone special; the camera – which certainly had a huge R&D budget.

    Now the same critique comes flying at the Pro1. 835 is too old, too weak, phone is too expensive… Bla bla bla. Why do people forget A) niche products cost more, and B) There is additional tech to be developed; Software and hardware wise for a phone like this. But no; apparently the chipset and CPU is the ONLY thing that should dictate what a phone should cost.

    But thanks to Oculus, we now have a legit showcase and argument for how competent a Snapdragon 835 really is: The Oculus Quest runs on said CPU/Chipset and manages to render full dual screen 3D VR with inside-out tracking at 72 fps in very high resolution. Sure the games have lower graphic quality compared to the PC counterparts, but the fact that it does this is still amazing. So bring that up next time someone complains about the 835 in the Pro1.

    I’ve said it before; I’ve yet to experience that my current 821 would be too slow, except for playing asphalt 8, which I really don’t play anyways.

    Sigh.. Rant over. Thank you for reading

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    #15833
    sic_zer0
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    Well rant or not, I wholeheartedly agree this focus on needing the best SoC is madness. The 835 is a pretty nice choice in my opinion, saves some cost over the newest bestest, and it is miles ahead of mediatek etc. I could understand that people want better if they chose to go with some low end chip or so, but SD835 is faster than any phone I’ve ever had, or would consider buying if it wasn’t for having a keyboard (I wouldn’t normally pay 650eur for a phone, but in this case it’ll be well worth it)…

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    #15845
    alex.ruediger
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    It’s really simple: The flagship SoC is amazing and capable of everything until the next one comes out. Then it’s suddenly really bad and borderline unusable. It’s science!

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    It’s really simple: The flagship SoC is amazing and capable of everything until the next one comes out. Then it’s suddenly really bad and borderline unusable. It’s science!

    The problem with sarcasm in a forum like this is that it is often taken for face value. Humour is very much cultural dependent.

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    I’ll be honest, for a new company at first I thought the price was ok, but I’m starting to get a little less forgiving now. Nearly all manufacturers have released new phones over the past 6 months, some getting discounts shortly after release. I doubt this phone will drop in price after release. It’s a tough pill to swallow when you’re asking 700 for a new phone. I’ve never spent so much on a device before. Always bought pre-owned handsets or handsets on sale.
    I know development costs are not cheap and they need to make money but I think the price will scare many away. Same thing happened to the blackberry priv. It was too overpriced and it died out fast in a firesale.
    Keep in mind this phone has to go beyond niche markets to do well.
    The average consumer is not going to spend 700 for a new phone from a new manufacturer they’ve never heard of when household brands are pumping out reliable phones that have been perfected over the years for the same or less. The lower the price, the more a consumer may be willing to go out on a limb and try it for the keyboard novelty.
    I hate to sound negative but I’m trying to paint a reality check. I want this device to succeed. I want keyboards to come back. I want them to make another. But the odds are stacked against them.
    If they proceed with the proposed price, the only way out is overwhelmingly positive reviews. And the device has to be perfect. I’m not kidding when I say PERFECT.

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    #15981
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    I’ll be honest, for a new company at first I thought the price was ok, but I’m starting to get a little less forgiving now. Nearly all manufacturers have released new phones over the past 6 months, some getting discounts shortly after release. I doubt this phone will drop in price after release. It’s a tough pill to swallow when you’re asking 700 for a new phone. I’ve never spent so much on a device before. Always bought pre-owned handsets or handsets on sale.

    I know development costs are not cheap and they need to make money but I think the price will scare many away. Same thing happened to the blackberry priv. It was too overpriced and it died out fast in a firesale.

    Keep in mind this phone has to go beyond niche markets to do well.

    The average consumer is not going to spend 700 for a new phone from a new manufacturer they’ve never heard of when household brands are pumping out reliable phones that have been perfected over the years for the same or less. The lower the price, the more a consumer may be willing to go out on a limb and try it for the keyboard novelty.

    I hate to sound negative but I’m trying to paint a reality check. I want this device to succeed. I want keyboards to come back. I want them to make another. But the odds are stacked against them.

    If they proceed with the proposed price, the only way out is overwhelmingly positive reviews. And the device has to be perfect. I’m not kidding when I say PERFECT.

    First of it is 650 and not 700, but that is almost splitting sticks.

    But seen from my perspective this IS a niche product, and will never be a ‘mass product’ selling millions (I would love to be proven wrong though…)

    In my view it simply is a limited segment that type that much that they can see the benefits of a real keyboard over the software substitutes. AND even if they do see it, there is a trade of in size and weight that have to be considered. So for those that type sms, email, browses etc with a mean of say 100-200 strokes a day, and use their device primarily for calling and e.g. images, well then the touch phablets or phones out there would most likely be the better suited for their usage pattern. And even some intensive ‘typers’ would insist on portrait, and some will not accept the larger device of a physical keyboard. And even a good chunk of real keyboard lovers prefer a keyboard in the wrong direction (just browse a bit on crackberry)…

    Sure a lower price would always attract more buyers, but even if it was sold at the material cost price (what ever that is), ignoring all development, software, marketing and investments costs it would still be a niche product.

    But I would agree with you that the price matters. Had it been much cheaper I would most likely have bought several, simply to have as spares, now I think I will limit my self to two or three…. I have been crying for something like this for almost ten years, and who knows if they will make a pro2, or it will be another ten years…. I would just hate the risk of NOT having bought enough to last…

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    sic_zer0
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    I’ll be honest, for a new company at first I thought the price was ok, but I’m starting to get a little less forgiving now. Nearly all manufacturers have released new phones over the past 6 months, some getting discounts shortly after release. I doubt this phone will drop in price after release. It’s a tough pill to swallow when you’re asking 700 for a new phone. I’ve never spent so much on a device before. Always bought pre-owned handsets or handsets on sale.

    I know development costs are not cheap and they need to make money but I think the price will scare many away. Same thing happened to the blackberry priv. It was too overpriced and it died out fast in a firesale.

    Keep in mind this phone has to go beyond niche markets to do well.

    The average consumer is not going to spend 700 for a new phone from a new manufacturer they’ve never heard of when household brands are pumping out reliable phones that have been perfected over the years for the same or less. The lower the price, the more a consumer may be willing to go out on a limb and try it for the keyboard novelty.

    I hate to sound negative but I’m trying to paint a reality check. I want this device to succeed. I want keyboards to come back. I want them to make another. But the odds are stacked against them.

    If they proceed with the proposed price, the only way out is overwhelmingly positive reviews. And the device has to be perfect. I’m not kidding when I say PERFECT.

    First of it is 650 and not 700, but that is almost splitting sticks.

    But seen from my perspective this IS a niche product, and will never be a ‘mass product’ selling millions (I would love to be proven wrong though…)

    In my view it simply is a limited segment that type that much that they can see the benefits of a real keyboard over the software substitutes. AND even if they do see it, there is a trade of in size and weight that have to be considered. So for those that type sms, email, browses etc with a mean of say 100-200 strokes a day, and use their device primarily for calling and e.g. images, well then the touch phablets or phones out there would most likely be the better suited for their usage pattern. And even some intensive ‘typers’ would insist on portrait, and some will not accept the larger device of a physical keyboard. And even a good chunk of real keyboard lovers prefer a keyboard in the wrong direction (just browse a bit on crackberry)…

    Sure a lower price would always attract more buyers, but even if it was sold at the material cost price (what ever that is), ignoring all development, software, marketing and investments costs it would still be a niche product.

    But I would agree with you that the price matters. Had it been much cheaper I would most likely have bought several, simply to have as spares, now I think I will limit my self to two or three…. I have been crying for something like this for almost ten years, and who knows if they will make a pro2, or it will be another ten years…. I would just hate the risk of NOT having bought enough to last…

    I think also it will be a fairly niche product, and maybe some non-keyboard-addicts would still be willing to get their feet wet at the set price after reviews show it off and fxtec becomes somewhat more known. I’m glad that they went for a somewhat high-end phone rather than giving us cheap hardware at a cheap price… I doubt they could manage the same hardware for a cheaper price, looking at prices of other similarly specced devices. And as for people like me and eskerahn… I think we both are just itching to get rid of the some money and get our hands on this device as it’s the only option in a category.

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