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  • #19124
    EskeRahn
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    My point was: If a budget phone at 400 dollars can have QHD screen, snapdragon 855 and 8 GB RAM and 128 GB storage, a phone like Pro1 – spec-wise – should only cost like 200-250 dollars (yes it is old tech). Then we can add in the additional costs of R&D for the keyboard up to 350 dollars and a profit margin up to 400-450 dollars. FInally I can see that it is a niche product and low-production number, increase that to 500 dollars. That would be a much more logical price point imho.

    If you can do a competitor you can sell at that price, then please do… I would love a slightly more compact device, And some have asked for a non-curved display….

    But to get realistic, you forget one VERY important aspect in your R&D calculus: VOLUME!

    What you are looking at is the marginal cost between number say 100000 and 100001, and sure that could be like the numbers you suggests.

    If you have an expected sell of a million devices or more, every 5 million spent in R&D, marketing etc is just £5 per device.
    But I think they will be over-joyed if they sell even 100000! And that would be £50 per device… But if they (God forbid) sell only 10000 devices the distributed cost is £500… So to even talk ‘profit’ we should be talking substantial volume.
    I do not know the numbers for their R&D, nor the amount they expect to sell. But I VERY much doubt they will get aPple-greed-rich by this project….

    But if they do, good for them, and most likely for us too, as this will increase the chance for a Pro2, 3, ….

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    #19126
    sic_zer0
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    A newsletter just landed in my mailbox! And it reads: “Once we have the confirmed shipping date, we will be requesting payment for the Pro1 you have pre-ordered. We anticipate that payment will be requested at the end of July, ahead of an expected shipment date in early September.” :).

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    #19128
    EskeRahn
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    It really is time they did another blog post

    ….You got psychic powers? They just sent out an e-mail… *LOL*
    Among other things it says

    We anticipate that payment will be requested at the end of July, ahead of an expected shipment date in early September.

    But also requests for beta-testers, so if you are as impatient as me that might be an option to become one of the lucky ones….

    ADD: @netman, you are fast :)

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    #19136
    glumreaper
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    Just got the same! September is a little disappointing, but it’s still good to hear from them.

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    #19138
    doktor.oswaldo
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    Wish me luck for a beta device, I may be able to bridge the time between the day my current device dies and September :D

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    #19144
    Swond
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    Wish me luck for a beta device, I may be able to bridge the time between the day my current device dies and September :D

    Same here!! :D Mine won´t die, but the memory still says no space and it does not matter there is almost one GB free :D Its annoying :-/
    Just thinking, how many BETA testers are interrested.

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    #19152
    aznfantasystar
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    I also applied for a beta test application, but I won’t be hurting for a device if I get denied. From the previous 2 comments; it does not sound very safe to replace a daily driver with a phone that’s less-than stable. Especially, if work/family depends on the ability to stay connected.

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    #19155
    VaZso
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    However, if someone has another cards to test with, the stability may not be as important.

    For example, I have an older pre-paid SIM at one of the providers in Hungary which was used to be a number for someone, but had to be topped up yearly, thus, it currently has relatively high amount of money. So it would be good for initiating and also receiving calls from friends / family.
    I also have a separate card with active mobile internet – this way stability is not as important as there is a fallback phone with my main personal and company number :-)

    However, that way two phones should be used in parallel, but who cares… :-)

    #19164
    EskeRahn
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    I also applied for a beta test application, but I won’t be hurting for a device if I get denied. From the previous 2 comments; it does not sound very safe to replace a daily driver with a phone that’s less-than stable. Especially, if work/family depends on the ability to stay connected.

    I plan to use a second number/SIM (already bought for the purpose), and then optimistacally set the primary SIM in the Beta, an the secondary number in my old device. And hopefully the old will seldom be needed. Worst case I will swap the SIMs

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    #19172
    jason
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    Yeah I’ve had the email as well they got spammed (my email provider couldn’t validate them)

    I applied for beta test as well, they will need the help to do the final polishing of this device. I don’t have a problem using it as a daily phone can’t be as bad as my current one that keeps stalling and overheating :D

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    #19175
    Tim6263
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    I applied for beta test as well, they will need the help to do the final polishing of this device. I don’t have a problem using it as a daily phone can’t be as bad as my current one that keeps stalling and overheating :D

    Me, too, applied for Beta; & likewise my current handset is getting v.v. dodgy, so I would have no worries beta testing the Pro1 as my primary phone! 🙂

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    #19178
    storyworks
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    I would imagine most folks would volunteer to beta test. Myself included. I imagine the form they said they will send will have the sorting variables. Region (they might want a sampling from different regions)? Experience/Technical knowledge? Use cases? Random drawing (lol)?

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    MortisAngelus
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    Please enlighten me if I am wrong here, but I have never heard of bad software screwing up your SIM-cards, so I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to try the BETA-phone as their daily driver. If I get the beta-test, I will absolutely try to use it as my main phone and see where it holds up and where it doesn’t.

    Or can bad OS brick SIM-cards?

    #19199
    VaZso
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    Or can bad OS brick SIM-cards?

    I don’t think so.

    For me, it would be also my primary device (doing most of the use cases on this device), maybe even with my primary SIM, but there may be cases when the device is not available – like software upgrades, regressions, anything.
    I think beta testers definitely have to use the device in everyday life to be able to find out possible problems.

    Maybe also by doing tests with one SIM, two SIMs, different radio bands (also in different countries / places around the world) would also be good.
    At least to have some feedback of earlier measurements in real world experience.

    Anyway, when you (your team / any team) do something, there are many things you will not notice.
    Sometimes may happen that someone comes in and instantly finds something you never thought about – just because we are different.
    Even non-technical people can help a lot in this, including overall usability.

    For SIM cards, it has phonebook functionality, SMS memory, maybe some applications which modern phones (systems) are usually don’t use at all.
    It has to be driven at proper voltage levels at hardware side, but this will not be a problem.
    PIN codes are handled by software functions, should also be okay.
    I don’t think you have anything to be afraid of.

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    #19203
    EskeRahn
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    Please enlighten me if I am wrong here, but I have never heard of bad software screwing up your SIM-cards, so I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to try the BETA-phone as their daily driver. If I get the beta-test, I will absolutely try to use it as my main phone and see where it holds up and where it doesn’t.

    Or can bad OS brick SIM-cards?

    Well as software still at Beta levels, strange things can happen, however unlikely they may seem…

    Calls interrupted, lacking notification on calls/mails/sms/… or the other way round Sound could go off when it is supposed to be silent.
    It might seem like a mail or sms is sent though it is not. Files you download or creates, can get lost or tampered… Contacts lost.
    An update can mess it up completely until the next update, leaving you with a useless device in the meantime.
    …Well only the fantasy set the limits. Not that any of this is very likely, but you should have a back-up device to be sure you can do important stuff when needed.

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